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[imavanner2]

Anyone have any idea the best place to buy a mild
Hi proformane 302 at a reasonble price. Looking to get one for my 70 nford van.

Chris

[John Sheedy]

Chris,
Check out local engine rebuilders to see if they don't have something on there shelves you can pick up for a reasonable price. Local papers are also a good source. Summit, Jegs, E-bay are other places to look but remember you are going to have a shipping cost involved at it may not be a deal when you add the shipping price in. Check out a local jasper dealer to see what they want. They come with a good warrenty and cover you if something happens out of town. My first suggestion would be look local first. John

[imavanner2]

I may Just rip the stock one apart and rebuild I was looking to go to a new motor with one pice rear main and roller cam. I only have about 2 grand to spend and would also like to up grade to a transmissin with over drive. I am not sure what the motor I hvae needs it is the Origanal one in the van and i have not tride to start it.
Maybe Ill just find a stock reman long block.
and use that.

Chris

[imavanner2]

Well I Got My Motor Short Block and heads. I still Need to find a intakeand Valve covers. I have the oil pan from a stang hope it is the same for the van. I am also going to need A Fly Wheel Timeing chain cover Water Pump and pullys and Alt and brackets.

Pulled The Motor out of the van over the weekend It seems to be siezed up Could not turn it at all. Tranny I thought it was a c6 but it is a c4 that is shot so looks like a new trans will be needed. Still Looking For The Disc Brakes I need I have to get going If this is going to get primer in april.


Chris

[Roger]

Chris,
If the oil pan you have has a rear sump and the hole for the dipstick tube, I think it will work. You didn't mention a harmonic balancer in your list of stuff. Summit racing now sells a balancer for 302-351s and it's only $80 (part #SUM-163289). It's intended for use as an OEM replacement, or on mildly built engines.

[imavanner2]

I already have the harmonic balancer a 50oz need the 50 oz flywheel.

I was looking at intakes and carbs dam so many to pick from any advice from you guys. some one said a dual plane is the way to go what CFM should I look for and electric or Man choke? idel to 5000 or 1500 to 6000 I thought I saw someplace that talks about all the differnce and what works best with each other but can't find it now.

Dam It all New to me last time I did a motor I re built what i had with all stock and another time I went to the speed shop and they set me up with what i needed.

Chris

[claykuch]

What I am doing is building my 302 engine to be era correct. It is a warmed over engine but I only use parts that were avalable in the 70's. Like a Weiand LT500 intake, carter carb, DT headers.......and all these parts that I got are from the right era. This way your van has more character and feels the way it would of 30 years ago. One more plus, these old parts are usually cheep! If I wanted a high tech modern powerplant I would just buy a new van. I am not a big fan of a clasic car or van that has been altered to be modern. Hope that helps.

Clayton

[Roger]

Chris, I went with edelbrock stuff. Cam & lifters, performer intake, 600cfm carb (electric choke).. All are supposedly designed to work well together. Honestly, I would have been happy with a manual choke because I don't seem to have the right touch when it comes to adjusting the electric ones. But I'm not that worried about this one since I won't be driving my 74 in the winter.

[imavanner2]

I Think I am going to get the Intake Carb Package from Summit. Ill save a few dollars in the long run. The only one they have with an electric choke is the holley not sure it Ill go with the holley or the edlebrock with a Man choke.

As far as keeping Things all from The 70s I will be rebuilding the stuff I pull out and Using in another 70s van in the future.

Chris

[Vic]

Chris,

Is your old engine block a Mexican block? If it is, it will states it in the lifter valley, Made in Mexico. If it is a Mexican block, it is a good block. The vintage racers are always looking for them, because they are stronger, thicker bore walls, and have the HiPo 289 style main caps.

Also, I take it the engine you found is a Late Model 5.0L 302 that came in the Fox body Mustangs, 79 to 95. If it is, the chances of the oil pan fitting are really good. Also, if it's a Late Model, then the 50 oz. ballancer and flex plate are correct. The Late Model ballancer is a 4 bolt unit and my 69 is a 3 bolt unit, so the pulleys may not work correctly on yours if it's a 3 bolt ballancer. Is yours origanlly a 4 bolt ballancer? If not, you will have to think about the pulleys and brackets.

That is one of the reasons I stroked the Late Model 5.0L to a 347. You can purchase 347 kits that use 28 oz. ballancers (I used a 3 bolt, 28 oz ballancer) and flex plates. My pulleys bolted on with no problems. Also, the crank pulleys have different styles, coller in or coller out.

On the subject of the intake, I say go with the Edelbrock Performer kit. Intake and carb. It bolts on and runs. I'm running a Weiand and Holley, I had to tune it in but I had the stuff sitting the garage so I used it.

Vic

[NortheastGuy1970E300]

So here's what I am doing. I am narrowing down WHAT company I will be buying a non-performance remanufactured long block engine for my 70 E300.

My question? I'd love to hear from someone who bought a remanufactured from Jasper Engine.... or maybe you know someone who bought from Jasper and what their experience was with Jasper Engine.......... Jasper has been in business for 70 years, located in the heart of Indiana, have the best track record with an BBB rating of an A.

My other choice is S&J Engines Inc......they have an 'ok' track record......cost less than Jasper.....and when I contacted S&J I asked them why I should purchase a reman'd motor from them, and here's their reply below:
The long block assemblies include a complete set of gaskets, oil pump, 5 quarts of Joe Gibbs performance break in oil and a 7 year 100,000 mile warranty. Yes the early model 302 requires a 28 oz balancer and flex plate or flywheel combo. Current price is 1276.00 plus 300.00 core. BBB rating = B.

Below are a handful of other remanufactured engine dealers.... I'd love to hear from ANYONE with ANY experience/here-say with any of them. Thanks.


Remanufactured.com - BBB rating = F
PowerTrainProducts.net - BBB rating = A
MarshallEngines - A.K.A. - PS Engines - F
S&S Rebuilt Auto Engines - BBB rating = B
BestRebuiltEngines.com -
Auto Parts Fair doing business as AutoGuideNet.com -
MotorWorksEngines -

[Crip]

Well a 347 is not the greatest choice, the design is flawed, I do not like the piston pin placement, with what I learned in class that is not gonna result in a durable engine!
Offenhauser has a great intake designed for low end power, but unfortunately it is a costly beast, and hard to find used, it has 2 stage ports.
I've noticed re-manufactured engines are cheaper than getting one machined, and the upside is, machine pricing isn't guaranteed because something can always come up jacking it higher, even if it was runnin good before being pulled.

[NortheastGuy1970E300]

I narrowed it down to either Jasper Engines, or Carolina Machine Engines CME.com. ALL the other engine remanufacturers I spoke with - the ONLY thing they would talk about was bragging about their warrantees, warrantees, how they have thee best WARRANTEES, and no specific details on the actual remanufactured engine I need. One thing I did learn that PowerTrainProducts is doing business under a bunch of different names that have pretty bad reputation & feedback.... Jasper and CME are on the top of my list.

[NortheastGuy1970E300]

One of my engine options from Carolina Machine Engines is a “High Torque” longblock engine that comes with a smooth idle "Torque" type camshaft, known as a "RV" or towing cam.....

[NortheastGuy1970E300]

I had my sites aimed on CMEngines.com .....       Ya know, it's SO true.....if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.....

Every day they tell me "I'll get back to you tomorrow sir"........Every day.... then they don't call me back.  I call them.... "Yes sir, tomorrow"...  

I feel like I've been 'YESSED to death'...  Today is the tomorrow that I worried about yesterday..    My brain hurts.   Time to move on.

 

Jasper.  The most expensive.  $2,070 + $300 core.   No shipping charges.   Hmm.....